The mind that was not a mind

Mike: I heard something profound recently.
Benjamin: Tell me
M: It is the phrase, 'blood washing blood', meaning you can't wash away blood with more blood. Like, you can't undo mind by using your mind: because it is blood washing blood.
B: Is it entirely true? I guess it is true when you have come to the conclusion that your mind cannot help you with more thoughts, but how could you come to such conclusion without the mind? I guess the mind in the end is quite able at knowing its own limits, but cannot go beyond indeed (i.e. unable to grasp Reality)
M: I think it is when reality 'sees' that anything mind-born creates something mind-born. Something outside of that 'knows'
B: Well, isn't it just a matter of words? 'Reality-as-mind' sees. Mind is a word pointing at this manifestation of Reality from which arises another manifestation of Reality called 'thought''.

Ask me what the world is and i will say this: "It is just water within water"

M: Fine if you are established firmly in the unshakable knowing of that. If not, it is just philosophy, and it will be hard to believe it.
B: What is 'establishment'? What is established in what? Where is the idea of an establishment and an established and establisher arising?
And yet i know what you mean: there is a moment of clear-seeing that is carved into my memories, when a friend and i were chatting about Life and people's search to understand their meaning and purpose. As we talked i was refusing to answer his question based on the premise that there was such a thing as a 'person' existing. So sneaking around with more questions about his idea of person and of there being anything at all existing separately, caused him much frustration. (I feel sorry about this by the way but there was no way at the time to say things differently). But i loved this moment, because i was 'established' or so was the thought...
M: well, I see what you mean, but i feel it's like this: Nothing happens, no enlightenment is possible, and yet, something happens.
B: Indeed it's not even about 'enlightenment' because 'enlightenment' has premises. And where are those premises based on?
M: Yes, a fluctuation. Being dosen't change, but your understanding can.
B: Whatever it may be: in the end it is not in the understanding that the 'answer' is found but in what is causing this very 'understanding', the root-cause of all things.
M: Yes, well the root-cause is now telling me to do some yoga before bed! :)
B: Haha! :)